September 2009

Permeable Pavers

Part 1: Choosing products and installation methods

Article Tools

Create a Link to this Article

Photo: Pine Hall Brick Inc.

By Carol Brzozowski

6 Comments


Miriam says he believes the LID manual being developed in his region is likely to be adopted by areas outside the water district.

“People outside the state are looking to see if permeable pavement works here,” he says. “We have every reason to expect that it will work and work well, given the right design.”

Miriam says no particular pervious pavement type is a standout among others, but rather that the choice is application-specific. Having developed the guidelines, Sarasota County is now inviting product representatives to “brown-bag seminars” to talk in more detail about their systems.     

“We have a lot of county projects where we’re trying to stimulate the economy, so we’re trying to build parks and fire stations, roads, and environmental projects,” he says. “We’re trying to get an accelerated course in what’s out there in the way of products and their strengths and weaknesses.”

Miriam says interlocking pavers seem to be able to handle heavier loads and turning movements common in certain applications.

The guidelines themselves provide recommendations for the type of traffic that such systems can accommodate. “Pervious pavements are used for low-traffic loading and low-turning areas, such as parking lots; residential street parking; cart, bicycle and pedestrian paths; driveways; and emergency vehicle access lanes,” they state. And, while pervious pavement can support light traffic loads, some such as pervious concrete are vulnerable to shear stress, which might cause structural failure. “Caution should be used when designing pervious pavement in areas subjected to high volumes of vehicular traffic, frequent braking, or frequent turning,” the guidelines state. “To address this concern, pervious pavements can be incorporated with impervious areas to provide a more durable surface in certain areas while infiltrating runoff in other areas.”

Miriam says, “It seems as though pervious concrete and asphalt are subject to undue wear or degradation by turning movements—by people turning into a parking place or a drive- through. So, while pervious concrete or asphalt might be quite acceptable once the car has turned into the parking place, you probably are going to want to use either impermeable concrete, asphalt, or something like interlocking pavers that will handle those turning movements and heavier traffic.

“One of the common concerns we’ve heard is how will these products be able to handle fire trucks and emergency vehicles,” he adds. “Whatever we install, we want to make sure we’ve provided for access for emergency vehicles and typical maintenance like garbage trucks.”

When considering the cost of permeable pavement, there are many considerations beyond installation costs, Miriam points out.

“There are capital costs, regular maintenance costs, and corrective maintenance costs when something has gone wrong and you have to fix it,” he says. “A complete cost analysis includes cost avoidance. For instance, if we use other impervious materials and therefore convey pollutants downstream into a stream or bay, what is the cost going to be to then remove those nutrients if we have an impaired water body?”

Advertisement

Cost avoidance entails avoiding the necessity of building a stormwater treatment pond or system downstream or in the future, Miriam says.

“Usually we don’t have enough vision to be able to include all of those other costs that are very indirect in a way, but it’s common knowledge that as we’ve made our urban areas very impervious, we’ve had greater volumes of runoff and therefore greater pollutant loads going into our water bodies,” he points out. Next Page >

What Do You Think?

Post a Comment

MarkR

August 4th, 2010 10:28 AM PT

Essentially, depending on the quality of sub-soils and the depth of base, permeable applications can take on almost any amount of water. We have installed applications for truck washing bays which introduce a tremendous amount of water into the system, but we took all that into consideration when designing the base composition. Mark - www.twobrothersbrickpaving.com/permeable_pavers.htm

DennisN

October 7th, 2009 8:24 AM PT

I don't see why your permeable paver system cannot be designed to accept offsite flow. If the soil infiltration rate will accept the additional inflow, it's a matter of increasing the base thickness to accommodate the additional storage required.

gmears

September 16th, 2009 3:13 PM PT

I work with a stormwater drainage advisory group in a North Carolina Outer Banks community and we keep hearing that permeable pavers are easily clogged by fine sand and require maintenance at such a frequency that the costs to keep these things functional appear to be prohibitive. This concern has made us look to other solutions for our beach house community of over 800 half acre properties located along the ocean. The problem was caused by infill development and commercial development upgradient from our community in an area with very poor stormwater control and building inspection standards. The County has yet to consider pre-and post construction runoff hydrocurve evaluations which would drive the builders to look for their own solutions. The problem with most articles like this is that too many of them come across as the optimum solution to every flooding and drainage problem --which we know can't be true. So the article is read liek any other sales pitch simply because the author seems to be trying to avoid revealing any of the product's warts. Even if you have no clue as to where the product will work, suggest to us what the critical parameters are that make pavers work so that the readers can see if those parameters can be controlled in an alternative environment. I noticed one red flag in a discussion about sand used in northern climates triggers the need for maintenance. In a beach environment, sand is a constant issue. Bottom line: the addition of a serious applicability discussion adds so much credibility to an article and, without one, I review with caution and don't bother looking much further--and I'm a project engineer. Effective articles need to move beyond what sounds like a sales pitch by the late Billy May to something that deals with suggesting solutions to real problems that occur in actual environments. Without such a discussion the articles simply come across as "too good to be true", reducing the article to "interesting--but buyer beware".

RonSearcy

September 3rd, 2009 11:53 AM PT

Tory, I too am surprised at the lack of interest in this article but it may just be new enough that not that many have read it. You made a good point about perm rates as well as recognizing P Pavers are not a one-size-fits-all solution. But we need to keep educating the uninitiated about the potential benefits and help skeptics get over the short-term, higher first-cost issues to recognize the long-term benefits and sustainability.

Tory R. Walker

September 1st, 2009 5:18 PM PT

I am a bit surprised that there has been NO discussion on this topic. I guess it is just me that thinks this is worth looking at closer. I did, however, have a conversation today with a gentleman from Houston (I am in So. Cal.) regarding what can affect permeability of various pavements. It reinforced in my mind the importance of carefully considering ALL factors and how they can greatly influence the permeability. As he said, "in Houston, it's either raining cats and dogs or it's not raining." Also, if the soils under the base material are gumbo clay, there are other issues. This at least is a good reminder that permeable pavers are not always a good fit.

Tory R. Walker

August 26th, 2009 8:47 AM PT

My comment is not really about Carol's well written article, as she always does a good job, but about a seemingly obvious shortcoming in the permeable paver industry's own presentation of the long-term effectiveness of properly installed pavers (as illustrated in this same issue's "Porous Pavements Q&A"). The independent data I have researched supports a consistently high permeability (as high as 140+ in/hour, as reported in the Q&A) when properly maintained. I believe the data and research, and I would love to see permeable pavers used more often, so I have been trying for some time to advocate for using long-term permeability rates that actually use the supporting data. I don't know why the industry falls back on accounting only for rain that falls on the pavement. Data (even without annual maintenance) would support using high rates of permeability that would accept runoff from offsite areas as well. They seem reluctant to go there, yet in my own experience trying to sell the idea to developers (not municipalities who could have more incentives for using pavers), it usually doesn't quite pencil out for them. Most often the 20-year life cylce cost savings doesn't work for them. I think the technology has already gone through the "causes of failure" learning curve, so why not use it to store or detain excess runoff? I believe doing so would lead to exponential growth of this industry. I would be interested in any feedback on this, especially if I am not seeing the whole picture. tory@trwengineering.com

Post a Comment

Not a subscriber? Sign Up
 
 
*  
 




 

Get Stormwater E-mail Updates!

Get weekly news and updates through our Stormwater e-mail newsletter!